4.Blaine Dassey — Direct/Cross/Redirect

MR. KRATZ: Blaine, do you remember testifying in the trial of Steven Avery?

MR. KRATZ: Do you remember in that trial being asked the question, when you got home at 11 or 11:30, if you saw Brendan in your bedroom?

MR. KRATZ: Do you remember being asked that question?

MR. KRATZ: What did you tell the jury at that time?

MR. KRATZ: That you didn't see him; right?

MR. KRATZ: Now, in the last four weeks has your memory gotten better?

MR. KRATZ: It's gotten better in the last --

MR. KRATZ: -- four weeks?

MR. KRATZ: You can remember better now?

MR. KRATZ: I'm sorry?

MR. KRATZ: Okay. Has nothing to do with your brother being on trial this time, does it?

MR. KRATZ: You said that you went trick or treating on the 31st. How old are you?

MR. KRATZ: (By Attorney Kratz) Thank you, Blaine. On October 31, 2005, how old were you?

MR. KRATZ: And who, at age 17, were you going trick or treating with?

MR. KRATZ: Where were you going trick or treating?

MR. KRATZ: Now, in that community, that is, in Two Rivers, um, trick or treating is on, actually, Halloween Day; is that right?

MR. KRATZ: Are you familiar with, uh, communities that have trick or treating perhaps the day earlier? On Sunday the day before?

MR. KRATZ: And do you know around, um, the Mishicot area if there were any communities, as you think back, that had trick or treating on that Sunday?

MR. KRATZ: Did you go trick or treating on that Sunday? That is, the day before?

MR. KRATZ: All right. You told Mr. Fremgen that as you walked home, or as you walked down the -- the -- the path, and I'm going to show you what has been received as Exhibit No. 71, as you walked down this path, this road actually goes, uh, all the way up towards your grandmother's house; is --

MR. KRATZ: -- that right? You have to wait until I --

MR. KRATZ: -- I -- I finish asking the question; all right? But as you walked down towards your house, you told Mr. Fremgen that you didn't see anything, or that you didn't see anything unusual. You remember saying that today?

MR. KRATZ: As you think back now, uh, do you now remember something that you saw before you went into the house?

MR. KRATZ: Why don't you tell the jury what you saw?

MR. KRATZ: And Steven Avery's your uncle; is that right?

MR. KRATZ: Now, when Steven Avery you said was walking, um, towards a burn barrel, I'm going to, again, have you look at Exhibit No. 71, Blaine, and show you, uh, what is, um, just kind of a -- uh, to the center and to the right of that exhibit, uh, what looks like a burn barrel. Is that the burn barrel that you're talking about?

MR. KRATZ: When you saw your Uncle Steven taking something and putting it in that burn barrel, did you notice if that burn barrel was burning? That is, uh --

MR. KRATZ: -- was it on fire?

MR. KRATZ: Yes, it was already burning?

MR. KRATZ: And when you told this jury that you saw him walking towards that burn barrel, did you see him walking from his trailer towards that burn barrel?

MR. KRATZ: You said that you saw him put something in it. After putting something in that burning barrel, where did your Uncle Steve go?

MR. KRATZ: Did you see him turn around and go back to his trailer?

MR. KRATZ: All right. Now, you told this jury today that you left at about 5:20 to go to your friend, Jason's; is that right?

MR. KRATZ: How did you get to Jason's that day?

MR. KRATZ: His mother's name is Carmen?

MR. KRATZ: And her last name is Wiensch; is that --

MR. KRATZ: -- right? W-i-e-n-s-c-h?

MR. KRATZ: Is that right? Okay. Now, where did she pick you up?

MR. KRATZ: So you had to walk a ways from your trailer, which is on Exhibit No. 71 here, back up that road for Mrs. Wiensch to pick you up; is that --

MR. KRATZ: -- right? You have to wait until I'm done asking the question, okay?

MR. KRATZ: Now, did she pick you up at 5:20 or did you leave your house at 5:20?

MR. KRATZ: So is it fair to say that you left your house sometime before that?

MR. KRATZ: Now, you're telling us today that you got home at about what time?

MR. KRATZ: When you got home at about 11:00, why don't you tell the jury what you saw before you walked into your trailer?

MR. KRATZ: Now, up until now, we haven't heard about you seeing a bonfire. Why don't you tell us about that?

MR. KRATZ: Sure. Why don't you tell the jury about the bonfire that you saw?

MR. KRATZ: All right. Can you tell the jury where you saw that bonfire?

MR. KRATZ: All right. I'm going to have you look at Exhibit No. 71 again, and this, uh, dark area right to the left of the screen, uh, is that the area that you saw that fire?

MR. KRATZ: Now, when you came walking into your house, um, were there any obstructions to your view of that bonfire? In other words, was there anything that blocked your view between you and that fire?

MR. KRATZ: You're telling this jury that you saw somebody standing by that bonfire; is that --

MR. KRATZ: -- right? You have to wait until I'm done asking the question. Were you able at that time to identify who it was who was standing by that bonfire?

MR. KRATZ: A bigger --

MR. KRATZ: guy?

MR. KRATZ: Steven's size?

MR. KRATZ: All right. Again, do you remember about four weeks ago being asked that same question?

MR. KRATZ: What did you tell the jury about four weeks ago?

MR. KRATZ: All right. But after talking to Mr. Fremgen, and after being called in your brother's case, you now think that it was a bigger guy. Somebody like Steven; is that --

MR. KRATZ: -- right?

MR. KRATZ: I can ask it a -- a different way.

MR. KRATZ: That's fine.

MR. KRATZ: (By Attorney Kratz) Let me ask you this, Blaine, between that hearing, the Steven Avery trial, and today, did you, in fact, talk to Mr. Fremgen?

MR. KRATZ: You haven't talked to Mr. Fremgen or Mr. Edelstein?

MR. KRATZ: Uh, so there hasn't been any conversation at all between -- between you and them; is that right?

MR. KRATZ: All right. Between that hearing, though, and today, you agree that your testimony's different; is that true? I'll be more specific if you want me to be.

MR. KRATZ: About the person that you saw out by the fire that night? Yes?

MR. KRATZ: And your testimony's different as to whether or not your brother, Brendan, was home. That's different than it was four weeks ago; right?

MR. KRATZ: You said that you ate at home that night. That is, in your trailer. Is that your testimony?

MR. KRATZ: Do you remember on the 7th of November, that's like a year-and-a-half ago, being interviewed by two agents of the Division of Criminal Investigation?

MR. KRATZ: Do you remember telling or being asked by those agents where you ate dinner that night?

MR. KRATZ: Do you remember what you told those agents that night?

MR. KRATZ: Remember telling them that you had dinner at your friend, Jason's, house that night?

MR. KRATZ: No? You don't remember telling them that?

MR. KRATZ: Okay. Now, your Uncle Steve had a vehicle, which was called a Suzuki Samurai. Do you know what I'm talking about?

MR. KRATZ: Let me just get to that exhibit number. I'm showing you Exhibit No. 117. Do you recognize that vehicle?

MR. KRATZ: What is that?

MR. KRATZ: And, uh, you knew that to be your Uncle Steve's Suzuki?

MR. KRATZ: Okay. I'm sorry. But you recognize it in this photo, at least, to be in your Uncle Steve's garage; is that right?

MR. KRATZ: Now, on the 3lst, that is, on Halloween, do you know where that Suzuki was parked?

MR. KRATZ: Can you tell the jury, please, where on the 17th that was parked?

MR. KRATZ: All right. I'm going to show you what's been received as Exhibit No. 67. And although -- In that photo we see it backed into the garage. The 3list, that is, on the Halloween when you got home, you remember seeing that Suzuki outside of the garage, uh, to the left, or what would be to the east, of your Uncle Steve's garage; isn't that right?

MR. KRATZ: Now, do you know how that Suzuki Samurai got put into your Uncle Steve's garage and when that happened?

MR. KRATZ: You know that it was just sometime after Halloween? That is, after the 31st --

MR. KRATZ: -- is that right? Okay. When you left at, uh, 5:00, Blaine -- I'm sorry, uh, sometime before 5:20. I guess you didn't say 5, you said sometime before 5:20. Remember seeing a fire behind Steve's garage even then? Even a little after 5:00?

MR. KRATZ: Did you look? In other words, do know if there was fire or did you just not see it?

MR. KRATZ: That -- It's two different answers. Did you look?

MR. KRATZ: Okay.

MR. KRATZ: If I could have just a moment, Judge? I have no further questions, Judge. Thank you.

MR. KRATZ: I have nothing. Thank you, Judge.