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Steven AverytranscripttranscriptSeated Juror’s Prior Trial Involving Detective Remiker - Day 9 - Steven AveryA juror’s prior service in a civil case involving Detective Remiker prompted questioning. The court denied the defense motion to remove her for cause and set limits on camera coverage.
Thomas J. FallonKenneth R. KratzJerome F. ButingDean A. StrangPatrick L. WillisTerri TemmeTHE COURTMR. FALLONMR. STRANGTerri TemmeMR. KRATZMR. BUTINGSpectatorprocedural
Steven Avery/Day 9/February 22, 2007
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Kucharski testified about the November garage search and a bedroom key he did not see until Lenk pointed it out. The court retained a juror after questioning her about a prior case involving Remiker. Steier and Heimerl described the March garage search and two bullet fragments.
Seated Juror’s Prior Trial Involving Detective Remiker
ProceduralProc.Seated Juror’s Prior Trial Involving Detective Remiker

THE COURT: At this time we're on the record, outside the presence of the jury. We're going to begin by taking up a matter which was brought to the Court's attention yesterday; that is, the Court received a note from the jury bailiff that one of the jurors raised a question indicating that, after Deputy Remiker testified, the juror realized that the juror did not know him by name, but had been a juror in a jury trial some years ago in which Detective Remiker was involved, and conscientiously raised the question whether that was a problem in this case.

I presented the note to the attorneys. And at this time, before taking further action, the Court wishes to hear the position of the parties on this matter. Mr. Kratz, I will allow you to go first -- or excuse me -- Mr. Fallon.

MR. FALLON: Thank you. Good afternoon, Judge. The appearances of the State are Ken Kratz and Tom Fallon, Special Prosecutors. Our position on this, after having been made aware of this, is that the Court individually question the juror regarding her specific knowledge and recollection of the events involving that lawsuit.

Most notably, what, if anything, she remembers of the suit; what, if anything, she remembers of the length of the trial, the number of witnesses; more importantly, what, if anything, she remembers regarding Detective Remiker's involvement in the suit, whether he testified in the suit, whether she was called upon, in her capacity as a juror, to evaluate his credibility in that case, and if so, to what extent and what circumstances.

Based on the information that we have, it was a case that centered on damages received

by Mr. Remiker while in the performance of his duties, apparently he was in a squad car and was rear-ended by another driver. So the question of liability was not prominent in that particular case and rather was a question of damages. So if that is in fact the case, I think we should question the juror to see what, if anything, she remembers; and what, if any, conclusions or opinions that she reached then that she may have now, in terms of being called upon to evaluate the credibility of Detective Remiker in this case. And most importantly, whether or not any information, or opinions, or knowledge that she would have gained from the lawsuit filed in 1999 would have any impact in her ability to perform her required duties as a juror in this particular case. I think it would be premature to excuse her for cause at this particular point, without more information being made available to the Court and the parties to make an informed assessment. And it may turn out that she has to be excused, and that would be fine with the State. But our position is that there should be a more adequate record made before that measure is indeed selected. Thank you.

THE COURT: Mr. Strang.

MR. STRANG: Thank you, your Honor. I would like to start with the easiest points first. First, the juror did the right thing in bringing this to the Court's attention with a note to the bailiff.

Second, I have no information that the juror's mistake about knowing Detective Remiker was anything other than an innocent mistake, that she didn't recognize the name at the time, recognize the face when she saw him here. Again, I have no reason to question the good faith of the juror through the voir dire process or filling out the jury questionnaire.

Those two easier points made, I think that the right thing for the Court to do is to excuse Ms Temme, and I say that for several reasons. One, again, the easiest point first, we're almost two solid weeks of testimony into the trial, probably somewhere near a halfway point, certainly of the State's case, I would think. And we have four alternate jurors, four extra jurors.

So the cost to the parties or the Court of discharging any one juror seems not very high, at least if we play the probabilities on how many alternates we really would need. We have got four spare jurors at the moment.

Second, the problem this presents is a first for me. And although we have not had a chance to do any serious research on it, I would be surprised if we found much in the reported case law in Wisconsin, or in any other jurisdiction, that gave a whole lot of guidance here.

But the way I see it, is this. We have a juror here who doesn't just know a witness in the case from outside of the courtroom, we have a juror who knows a witness in this case from filling a very special role in an earlier case, in which that witness also filled a special role.

And by that I mean, the juror here is, in fact, and will be told, that she is a judge in this case, a judge of the facts; as important a judicial role as your Honor's, although in a separate realm. She also filled that role in an earlier case as a juror.

This is a role that many citizens go their entire life and never get to fill. And others, once, twice, maybe three times, in a lifetime, serve as a juror in our system. So it's an atypical role, and a serious one, and one that involves some artificiality in weighing evidence, in weighing the credibility of human beings who testify in a courtroom.

One has to set aside what one knows, or thinks she knows, about facts from outside the courtroom. One has to follow specific instructions in how to weigh credibility. And one has to weigh credibility collaboratively with 11 other judges of the facts.

So it's a very specialized, as I say, role that she's filled, as to Detective Remiker, in the past. He too had a special role. He was not just a witness, or a visitor to the courtroom whom she may have met during the trial, he was both witness and a party, as I understand, in the earlier lawsuit. He probably testified.

In ordinary life, at the diner, or at a dinner party, or at school, wherever we may meet people, we don't put one another under oath to engage in conversation and to decide what we believe and what we don't, of what someone else tells us.

And, of course, if you are a witness in a trial, you are under oath. If you are a party, as well, almost unavoidably your credibility is at stake and you have an interest, certainly, in the outcome of the litigation. That's why I say, almost unavoidably, your credibility is at stake.

So both have had special roles. And while in day-to-day discourse we might have a positive initial impression of a casual acquaintance and come to change our mind about that when we get an incite or glimpse into character that causes us to question the initial good impression we had, or vice versa, this happens in everyday life.

As a juror, or a judge of the facts, this juror has committed her judgment to the credibility, to assessing the credibility of a witness here, based on his role as a sworn witness and a party on an earlier proceeding. It is human nature for any judge, including one, a judge of the law who wears a black robe, to be reluctant to reconsider or set aside judgments one's made. Wisconsin law recognizes this in a very, I concede, a loosely analogous way when, for example, if a case is reversed and remanded by an appellate court, sent back to a trial court, my recollection of Wisconsin law is that the parties have a renewed or revivified right to substitute on the judge of the law who first heard that case and now has had his or her judgment vacated or reversed and remanded.

That has to be a tacit recognition that, in the special role of judging, it is harder to set aside a considered judgment drawn from sworn testimony and under the well-crafted and instructed rules by which judges of the facts decide credibility of witnesses, and ultimately decide facts in a case.

So I think that this is such an unlikely task for a juror to be able to undertake; that is, to set aside, not just what do I know casually about this witness in this trial, but to set aside my experience with that witness as a sworn witness in an earlier lawsuit of which I was a judge of the facts.

I think it's so unlikely that a juror will do that successfully, excuse me, that this presents a question of objective bias. The closest case we have in Wisconsin clearly is State v. Kiernan, K-i-e-r-n-a-n, 227 Wis. 2d, 736, a Wisconsin Supreme Court decision of about 7 or 8 years vintage, 1999, affirming a Court of Appeals decision which I think was reported at 226 -- or 221 Wis. 2d, 126.

It's not a perfect match, but there we had jurors in trial number two who had rejected the defense presented in trial number one, by the same lawyer, and it was to be the very same defense in the second trial, both of them being operating while intoxicated cases.

As I understand Kiernan, the trial judge in trial number two refused to strike for cause jurors who had served in trial number one and rejected the same lawyer's presentation of the same defense.

That was held to be a matter that made the jurors objectively biased in trial number two. And the judgment was set aside by the Court of Appeals; and then the Court of Appeals, in turn, affirmed by the Supreme Court, as I understand the history of the case.

Again, not a perfect match. Trial number one and trial number two were very close in time, in Kiernan; here we have a period of six, seven years between trials. But, in some ways, this is a stronger case for objective bias because we're talking about the same witness in trial number one and in trial number two and a witness whose credibility clearly was at stake in trial number one and clearly will be at stake in trial two, here.

Detective Remiker is a member of Manitowoc County Sheriff's Department. He is a detective. He was actively involved in this investigation. He may have been the most prolific report writer among the entire Manitowoc County Sheriff's Department retinue.

He works directly for, and is supervised by, Lieutenant James Lenk, a critical figure in this case. And he was -- he, that is, Detective Remiker -- was involved and testified to most of the significant searches in which physical evidence that the State has introduced, and will continue to seek to introduce, was seized and gathered.

Moreover, Detective Remiker was one of just two law enforcement officers who have testified to date, in this trial, to statements of the accused. And indeed there were only three witnesses who have offered any statements of the accused, if my memory serves; one, a citizen, Bobby Dassey, and then two law enforcement officers, Sergeant Colborn and Detective Remiker.

So his credibility is important here, probably quite important. Of the witnesses so far, the voice of Detective Remiker is the only witness voice these jurors heard in either parties opening statement, and that was in mine, when I played part of what is now Exhibit 126.

He's an important witness. Because I think the issue primarily is objective bias, it makes no sense, in the view of the defense, to question the juror. If the issue were subjective bias, then the juror's answers would be dispositive, in all likelihood, unless the Court had reason to question the voracity of the juror, by demeanor or statements.

But when the question is objective bias, as the scheme in Wisconsin for juror qualification is broken down, then it really doesn't matter if the juror denies a subjective bias. With objective bias we say, no, from a reasonable person's vantage point, this would not be considered an unbiased juror. So, while with an objective bias issue we don't gain anything by questioning a juror, we certainly do put something at risk if we do that and the juror has not been excused. The things at risk are this, as I see:

(A) Because we are mid-trial, we risk meddling, in a subtle way, with the deliberate process of this juror and potentially with the entire jury. Because this juror specifically will be instructed to set aside both her prior experience with Detective Remiker, in a virtually identical role, sworn as a witness, and that she may not discuss with the other 11 jurors, if she's among the 12 who deliberate in this case, what she knows of, or brings to the courtroom of, Detective Remiker.

Now, it's one thing to extract that kind of a process in voir dire, before a jury is sworn. It is quite another, I think, mid-trial, with a sworn jury, and a member of that sworn jury, to start parsing what can and cannot be considered in deliberating on the credibility of the witness.

Now, understand me clearly, if she were to remain a member of this jury, she would have to be told that she cannot consider Detective Remiker's earlier role and that she cannot share that with these jurors, in this case. She would have to be told that.

But the likelihood that she understands that and that that doesn't chill her deliberative -- her proper deliberative process, or affect the deliberative process of the jury as a whole, it seems to me is low, or questionable. So there is, at least, that risk, (A), as I say.

(B) The risk of doing this is that, the fact that she's been pulled out, singled out, will either be understood by the jury or understood by her, and as being singled out, and as an instance that resulted in her being put under some special instructions that the other jurors are not under, and that -- that presents its own obvious problems, I think.

So, I think for -- for all of the reasons I have explained, this is not something the Court ought to undertake; that is, questioning the juror is not something the Court ought undertake. I also think that, on these circumstances, there is, at this point, on the information we have, reason to find objective bias and that the juror ought to be relieved of her further duties, with the thanks of the Court and the parties because, again, she's done the right thing by reporting to the Court the problem. And that's -- that's the view of counsel for Mr. Avery.

THE COURT: All right. Well, I'm going to make a couple comments at this time. First of all, with respect to the supply of alternate jurors we have; it's true that we still have four jurors more than we need to deliberate. But we also have a case which is receiving a great deal of publicity.

Jurors can be inadvertently exposed to things that they should not hear, that could result in disqualification. And the Court does not feel at this point, being less than halfway through the trial, that we have so many extra jurors that we can easily dispose of them.

With respect to the issue of individually voir diring a juror in a situation like this, I believe that's exactly what the appeals courts expect a trial court to do in this type of a situation.

For the Court to, at this time, say that this juror should be disqualified on grounds of objective bias, I would be having to make a lot of assumptions about things that may or may not exist. The only thing the Court knows at this point is that the juror apparently was involved in a civil case six to seven years ago, in which the witness was a party.

I don't believe, based on the standards of objective bias as they have developed in the courts over recent years, that I can say on that fact alone, no reasonable person in this juror's position could be a fair and impartial juror in this case. It may be, based on answers to further questions, that that's the situation, but I cannot find that at this point in the proceedings.

The juror was conscientious enough to raise the issue on the juror's own initiative and I am very reluctant to, on what would amount essentially to speculation, determine that without questioning the juror, the juror should be excused for cause on objective bias grounds at this stage in the proceedings.

So I do believe it is necessary to conduct an individual voir dire of this particular juror. For that reason, the Court is going to take a short break in the proceedings at this time. I have alerted the news media, through their representative, yesterday, of the possibility that a portion of today's proceedings would not be open to cameras and audio and video coverage, for essentially the same reason as the Court handled things that way when we went through individual voir dire.

Where a juror's name can be known, where a juror's voice can be heard, those things are entitled not to be carried over the airways and I'm going to, therefore, at this point, take a short break to make sure that there's no audio and video coverage of the proceedings going on.

I will indicate that the court proceedings themselves will be open. The public and members of the media are more than welcome to be present in the courtroom. But the Court will not be allowing camera coverage of the individual voir dire, or any audio coverage in any fashion. Mr. Fallon.

MR. FALLON: Yes. On behalf of the State, I think it would be the Court's intention and the defense as well, if you would kindly ask the media not to reference the juror by name in their reporting of this matter.

THE COURT: That is the next item that I'm addressing and I'm making that request, that the media -- and the media has been pretty good and responsible in that regard in not identifying jurors by name. I'm sure they will honor the request in this case.

In order to give the media an opportunity to be prepared for this short portion of the trial, we'll take a short break at this time and check with the media room to make sure everything is in order. We will resume in probably five minutes or less.

(Recess taken.)

THE COURT: At this time, we are back on the record, outside the presence of the jury. I will indicate that during the break I spoke to a representative of the media to make sure that this individual voir dire portion of the proceedings was not being televised or the audio portion being broadcast in any way.

I will indicate for the record that I did speak to an attorney for one of the media representatives over the noon hour to explain the reason for this brief portion of the trial not being accessible to audio and video coverage. And I believe the explanation was to the attorney's satisfaction, since I have not heard anything back.

I also indicated to the media representative that I would grant their request to take a short break after the questioning of the juror is completed so that the media can get their equipment back up and ready to go again.

At this point, I will -- Oh, I should also indicate for the record that I met with counsel in chambers over the noon hour and informed counsel of the questions the Court would be asking of the juror and took suggestions from counsel as to additional questions to ask. At this point, we'll have the juror brought in.

(Juror present.)

THE COURT: You may be seated. I was going to invite you to sit in the front row, but I see you feel at home where you are.

Ms Temme, the Court has received a note from the bailiff with the question that you raised yesterday regarding Deputy Remiker. And, first of all, I want to thank you for your conscientiousness in raising this issue for the Court.

And at this time I would like to ask you a few questions in order to determine if the issue that you raised poses a problem in your service as a juror. At the outset, I want to let you know that for this portion of the proceedings, because I'm going to be questioning you, the cameras have been turned off. This portion of the proceedings is not being carried on the air, or on the internet, or anywhere else; although, the proceeding is, like all court proceedings, open to the public.

As I understand the note I received from the bailiff, you, before the start of the trial, did not recall David Remiker by name, but when you saw him testify, you recognized him as a party in a civil trial for which you served as a juror a number of years ago; is that correct?

THE COURT: And I did take the opportunity to look up his name on CCAP, I believe the trial involved was a civil trial that occurred in the year 2000; does that sound correct?

THE COURT: Okay. And it's also my understanding that you brought this matter to the bailiff's attention at the break we took during Detective Remiker's testimony.

THE COURT: Have you discussed your concerns with any other members of the jury; that is, this issue?

THE COURT: You have not. Okay. I'm going to preface the next series of questions by making clear that I am not going to be asking you for, and I do not want you to say, anything about your impressions of Mr. Remiker's testimony in this case. I'm simply asking information about the previous case that you referred to, in the note I received from the bailiff.

Do you remember whether or not Mr. Remiker testified in that case? Did he testify as a witness?

TERRI TEMME: I don't remember.

THE COURT: Okay. As I understand it, he was the plaintiff in the case, the person asking for damages?

THE COURT: And the jury awarded him some damages; is that correct?

THE COURT: Did you vote with the majority in that jury verdict; do you remember?

THE COURT: Do you remember how long the trial was, approximately?

TERRI TEMME: I believe it was one week.

THE COURT: One week?

TERRI TEMME: Approximately one week.

THE COURT: And do you recall anything, for example, about the number of witnesses in the case?

TERRI TEMME: No, I don't.

THE COURT: Okay. And if I understand it correctly, you can't say for sure whether or not Mr. Remiker actually testified in the case?

TERRI TEMME: I can't remember. I can't say for sure.

THE COURT: Would your experience as a juror in that case cause you to give any more or less weight to his testimony in this case?

THE COURT: You indicated that you have not discussed this matter with any other members of the jury; is that correct?

THE COURT: Will you be able, during the remainder of this trial, including deliberations, not to tell any other members of the jury about this tie you have with Mr. Remiker?

TERRI TEMME: Of course.

THE COURT: Counsel, it's my understanding that the parties may request a side bar at this point.

(Side bar taken.)

THE COURT: Ms Temme, I would like to ask you just a few follow-up questions. You have told me some of the things that you didn't remember about the case; can you tell me what you do remember about it, other than the fact that Mr. Remiker was a plaintiff?

TERRI TEMME: What I remember about it is a lot of discussion about the lower left lumbar of the back, and that it involved an accident down on the I-system with a couple of other vehicles. That's about it.

THE COURT: Do you remember anything about the witnesses who testified at the trial?

THE COURT: Do you remember, at the conclusion of the trial, how you felt about it?

TERRI TEMME: I felt that the plaintiff should receive some monetary value for the problems he was having.

THE COURT: Okay. Do you remember anything about the amount of damages that was awarded?

TERRI TEMME: I'm guessing, but I think it was medical bills and maybe like $100,000.

THE COURT: Do you remember if you were in agreement, or not, with the amount of damages that were awarded?

TERRI TEMME: I was in agreement.

THE COURT: Is there anything else you can tell us that you remember about your experience as a juror in that case?

TERRI TEMME: I listened to the information from both sides. I know there was a lot of medical information provided. I think that's why I remember the lower left lumbar of the back information. But, it was a good experience.

THE COURT: Is there anything at all about your experience as a juror in that case that you feel could have any affect whatsoever on your service as a juror in this case?

THE COURT: Okay. Thank you. I'm going to excuse you at this time.

(Juror not present.)

THE COURT: I forgot one last thing I was going to talk to her about, so I'm going to have the bailiff bring her back out.

(Juror present.)

THE COURT: You may be seated. Ms Temme, one thing I forgot, that I wanted to tell you, and it sounds like you followed it so far, but I want to make sure that you do not discuss either the fact that you were on a juror (sic) in that case, or any of the questions I asked you here, or any of the answers you gave, with any other member of the jury in this case.

TERRI TEMME: Of course.

THE COURT: Okay. Very well. You are excused now.

(Juror not present.)

THE COURT: All right. Counsel, we're going to take a very short break at this time for me to give the media the break I promised them. And, then, in five minutes, we'll go back on the record, outside the presence of the jury.

(Recess taken.)

THE COURT: At this time, we are back on the record, outside the presence of the jury. I will hear from the parties at this time concerning their position on the juror, following the voir dire. Mr. Fallon.

MR. FALLON: Yes, thank you, Judge. Quite frankly, we were not surprised by any of the answers obtained from the juror here. I have extensive notes from the jury selection process in terms of the information that we obtained from her and many notes regarding her demeanor.

She was questioned about her prior jury experience. She said at that time it was a -- a interesting, good experience, much like she described it today. She just strikes me as an individual who doesn't take things -- I should say, she takes them as she sees them, or as she finds them. And I think it's important to highlight the fact that, here it is 2007 and this trial was at least six years ago, perhaps close to seven years ago, and when asked about what does she remember about the case, I found it rather telling that all she could focus and clearly remember was the lower left lumbar, as being a point of interest to the particular trial at hand.

And, if she doesn't recall, equally important, whether Mr. Remiker, in that case, testified, I think that's also a telling fact. Because ordinarily you would expect the plaintiff in a civil case and, quite frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if further review suggests that Detective Remiker did testify.

But she doesn't have a clear recollection of that particular incident or his testimony, or any -- or anything else about the case other than the injury to the lower left lumbar and how significant or severe it was.

While some may argue that thousands of dollars in special damages for medical bills and perhaps $100,000, or maybe she's thinking 100,000 total, for all the other injuries associated for an accident like that, is not an overwhelming amount of money.

She indicated she voted in favor, thought the plaintiff carried the day. But there was nothing about the particular process, or the deliberation, or the evaluation of the testimony, of the evidence and all of that, which is of critical interest to us here today, that suggests that she couldn't perform that same function today.

And more importantly, there was no indication in any of the information provided by her that she would not be able to perform that function today, in this case, in setting aside or disregarding any of what occurred in 2000. And I think that's the critical fact here, is there a chance or a likelihood -- I don't mean a chance, but I mean a realistic likelihood, a realistic chance that something about that case would interfere or cause her to unduly sway the evaluation and the credib -- the evaluation of the credibility of Detective Remiker. And we saw no indication of that in this particular voir dire of the juror.

So we're not bringing a motion for cause. I don't think there's a sufficient basis to strike for cause on objective bias, because she happened to be a juror in a case six years ago. And the fact that one of the witnesses in this particular case was the plaintiff, again, doesn't seem to be that significant a point or a fact with this juror. Again, as I said, there's nothing that we learned today that would seriously cause us to suggest that she could not perform the duties in this case. So we do not have an objection.

THE COURT: Mr. Strang.

MR. STRANG: The defense moves to strike the juror for cause. We adhere to all of my earlier comments and I will add now, after hearing the juror, something on subjective bias and something more on objective bias. The Court, of course, has the province of assessing the juror's credibility and demeanor.

I thought it worthy of note that the juror, who is middle-aged -- that's going to get me in trouble with someone, but she certainly is a young person, not an elderly person -- and is describing a trial that, let's assume, happened in 2000 -- if it happened in 2000, it's really not so long ago, that's the year that President Bush first was elected, that's not a long time ago -- and professes here today not to remember, one way or the other, whether the plaintiff in the lawsuit was a witness at some point, during what she's thinks was about a one week trial; it's worth raising, just as a -- as a subjective matter. But I continue to see this primarily as a matter of objective bias.

And what I can add, to my comments earlier, is just the exclamation point that, when we have sitting in this jury, at a time when we have ample extra jurors and opportunity to err on the side of caution, when we have someone sitting as a juror, who previously has voted to award $100,000 to a witness in this case, there is not the reasonable appearance of impartiality and fairness. That just simply doesn't look fair.

So, if the Court can -- concludes that subjectively she's not biased, I think there's a real objective bias concern here, and that she ought to be relieved of further duty as a juror in this case.

THE COURT: All right. First of all, with respect to the Court's findings in this matter, I find this particular juror to be very credible for a number of reasons. Probably goes back to my recollection of her answers during individual voir dire, which I agree with the State, were similar to what I heard today.

She certainly didn't have to alert the Court to the fact that she had been on a jury involving one of the witnesses, seven years ago. I have given no instructions to the jurors that would require them to report that type of information, at least specifically.

I have instructed them that if they are exposed to any reports or communications from other parties they should report it, but she did it on her own and I believe she did so conscientiously. Given that fact, I find no reason she would have to be untruthful when she tells the Court today that she simply has no recollection of remembering that Mr. Remiker testified at the trial during which she served as a juror.

That's not the same as saying that she believes he did not testify, she simply doesn't remember. If she doesn't remember that he testified, there doesn't appear to be a serious danger that somehow, because she found him credible as a witness in that trial, she will be more likely to find him credible as a witness in this trial. She doesn't even have a recollection of him testifying.

Her most vivid recollections of that trial are related more to the injuries, the fact she feels that the person, as a plaintiff, was injured and was entitled to damages and she went along with an award that was given by the rest of the jurors in that case.

She indicated to the Court that she did not believe her experience as a juror in that case would have any impact on her ability to be fair and impartial in this case and I'm not aware of any information that would call that into question.

In terms of objective bias, the question boils down to whether a reasonable person, in the individual juror's position, could be impartial. That is, I have to ask, could somebody be impartial in her position. The defense suggests that the mere fact that she was on a jury that awarded this witness, approximately seven years ago, a verdict in a civil case, I mean, she can't be partial in this case.

She didn't remember the individual's name at the time of original individual voir dire. And I saw nothing in her demeanor to suggest that she was somehow favorably inclined toward Detective Remiker because he was the plaintiff in that prior suit. It appears she simply participated in the award because she thought the plaintiff in that case was entitled to the award.

I just don't see anything nor any reason why someone who was a juror in a case six or seven years ago would, of necessity, be unable to be fair and impartial in a case such as this. She's an intelligent person, I think she can separate and tell the difference between the two and I don't think, more importantly, that there's any particular motivation, simply because she participated in a civil trial that long ago, any objective reason why she should be more or less inclined to believe him in his testimony in this case. So the Court is going to deny the motion to strike this juror for cause.

Counsel, is there anything else to take up before we bring in the jury and resume with the next witness?

MR. KRATZ: Just one matter, Judge. The next witness, like some law enforcement officers that come before the Court, is a member of a Metro Drug Unit, as part of his responsibilities and is actively involved in undercover narcotics investigations. He has asked this Court, although we believe that his audio poses no threat to either himself or his investigations, that the Court direct that video of this officer not be taken.

He is a relatively short officer. I have spoken to Mr. Buting about that and, obviously, audio of this officer will be permitted, but pursuant to statute, Judge, I believe the Court has the authority and I would ask for this officer, and I think in the case, this officer alone, that videotape not be taken of his testimony.

THE COURT: Mr. Buting.

MR. BUTING: I have no problem with that; that's fine.

THE COURT: I assume that it's sufficient if I simply direct the camera man to just focus on the attorneys, or the board, or something else, that they just be instructed not to show the camera on the witness.

MR. KRATZ: Anything else, Judge, that would be just fine.

THE COURT: All right. I think that should be sufficient to most narrowly meet the State's request, while still allowing for the public coverage of this trial. So, Mr. Camera Man, I assume you can follow that directive. And although I can't make eye contact with who is ever behind the glass, I will ask the same of the camera man in the media room. Is that you?

SPECTATOR: No, I'm a reporter, but I'm standing up and I would like to make a record to the Court. Our attorney from WISN-TV, Attorney Flynn, has left a message in the back for the Court, he would like to be heard on this issue.

THE COURT: On this issue here?

SPECTATOR: Yes, involving the DCI agent.

THE COURT: Oh. Okay. Well, we'll take a short break and I will take the phone call in chambers and see if anything further is necessary.

SPECTATOR: Thank you.

(Recess taken.)

(Jury not present.)

THE COURT: At this time, I will indicate for the record, and we're outside the presence of the jury, I spoke to Attorney Matthew Flynn, who represents WISN in Milwaukee. I believe his call was prompted in anticipation of the Court completely prohibiting coverage of the trial during the testimony of the next witness.

When I explained to him that I felt the needs of the media and the needs of the Court could be accommodated by allowing the proceedings to continue to be televised during the testimony of the next witness, but simply instructing the camera man not to show his face, Mr. Flynn indicated that was satisfactory to he and his client. So that's what the Court will do.

I have received a nod from the camera man that he understands the instructions. And with that, we'll bring in the jury at this time and then allow the State to call its next witness.

MR. KRATZ: That's fine. Thank you, Judge.

(Jury present.)

THE COURT: You may be seated. Members of the jury, before we begin, I just want you to rest assured that the attorneys and I did not take a three hour lunch today. We had a number of matters to address, that had to be addressed, outside the presence of the jury. I believe we are ready to go now and at this time we're going to have the State call its next witness.

MR. KRATZ: Thank you, Judge. The State will call Gary Steier to the stand. I have two exhibits, Janet.

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